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smitty Guest • 6 days ago see moreFascism is a one way street, Agree with me in your tolerance or we will be intolerant towards you. Gee I've had these beliefs for generations of my family's history? And called intolerant/bigot for 3,500 years of those beliefs. I say BS over your 6 years of beliefs to (Overturn) my believes. No way. I believe 3,500 years beats out 6 years..
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Labouce' smitty • 6 days ago see moreHmmm. Sure. 1850 of those years, slavery was accepted.
Your premise is denied, religions, no matter how old - are losing out. Sky Jesus is a myth. Religion a cancer.
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WhateverMan smitty • 6 days ago see moreWhy are there always 85 comments under the one deleted comment?
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Kai Thorsen smitty • 6 days ago see moreThe moral goodness of slavery and the right of a husband to essentially rape or beat his wife were popular beliefs for at least 3,500 years too.
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Concerned Citzen Guest • 7 days ago see moreSome right-win Christian conservatives act a lot like the members of ISIL. They try to force others to follow their view of religion.
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Barasheit Concerned Citzen • 7 days ago see moreComparing someone who doesn't want to deliver flowers to someone lighting another human being on fire in a cage will only bring into question your own IQ and mental stability.
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Kai Thorsen Barasheit • 6 days ago see moreActually, the comparison is a good one. Many in America would like to figuratively (or really) set gays and others on fire in cages too, but can't, because of laws, so they resort to trying to make them follow THEIR beliefs by - refusing to sell them a cookie. Our neighbor is a Catholic and he owns a grocery store. He doesn't refuse to sell meat to non-Catholics during Lent. He stands before his God and they before theirs, if they have one, accountable for THEIR lives. Store transactions shouldn't be judgements against sellers or buyers. ISIS is extreme, but the mentality - we have a monopoly on truth, righteousness, and the ear of God - is the same.
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gwsjr425 Kai Thorsen • 4 days ago see moreReally Kai, Lets compare those burning Christians in cages to the radicals calling for death and violence against Christians here in the US.
Seems that is you loons are just two steps away for YOUR ISIS counterparts.
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gwsjr425 Labouce' • 4 days ago see moreLets assess:
ISIS buring Christians in cages.
Radical leftists calling for death and violence against Christians in US.
Seems that is you loons are just two steps away for YOUR ISIS counterparts. Period
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Barasheit Guest • 7 days ago see moreAll sides are wrong on that issue and I have a suggestion. Marriage is a belief and union of two people. The government should have never been involved in it. The rights belong to individuals and not groups. Repeal every law that has to do with any marriage and deal with the individual when it comes to taxes and assests. Any person can nake a civil contract. Christians have no right expecting the government to recognize their union or anyone else.
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smitty Barasheit • 6 days ago see moreSo turn the whole world upside down for a (special group)??BS
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The Fluffy Owl smitty • 6 days ago see moreactually you're the ones turning the world "upside down", these are regualr citizens like everyone else, they have every right to use the services of your PUBLIC business. If you can't deal with the public, don't be a public business.
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Knower The Fluffy Owl • 3 days ago see moreBusinesses such as small restaurants and "mom and pop" stores are not public. They are private. Privately owned and operated. As a consequence they do have a right to deny services at will. They may make bad or dumb choices but that's still their right. Even giant companies such as Apple are private, just publicly traded. As such mr. Cook is free to choose to not do business in Indiana over a contrived controversy while increasing business in Tehran where homosexuals are executed without trial if found out.
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Kai Thorsen smitty • 6 days ago see moreNot doing that kind of negates the American Revolution, doesn't it.
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Admiral401 Barasheit • 6 days ago see moreYes, repeal ALL laws that have to do with marriage. When people get divorced, it can be handled the way some families do it in India: burn the wife to death. And we can also have polygamy too.
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Knower Admiral401 • 6 days ago see moreDid you see the story of the homosexual couple in India who sought a divorce? They couldn't agree on which was the wife. "No,he is!" "No I'm not. He is!"
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perseid Barasheit • 6 days ago see moreLike I said, it wasn't just Christians. The MAJORITY in each of the 31 states voted against gay marriage, including Oregon which is the 3rd least churched state in the union. There are some things that most people know are just NATURALLY wrong. Gay marriage is one of those, yet even when most of the people vote against it, the court is overruling the NATURAL LAW and imposing the SECULAR MANMADE LAW of gay marriage across the nation. The same would be true for incest as in the Australia and Germany cases where the dads and adult daughters want to marry, but the culture KNOWS it is wrong. That is what is next for America. Just watch. Fathers and daughters will want to marry and the precedent will be set to allow them.
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Kai Thorsen Barasheit • 6 days ago see moreGood comment. The government got involved with marriage centuries ago when church and state were intertwined. Marriage then wasn't just about the two people getting married as it is today, it had a wider social aspect to it. Funny, but in the early Christian Church, marriage - as a religious ceremony - wasn't even required. Marriages WERE civil arrangement. If you wanted the added blessing of a priest, that came after.
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Wendy Barasheit • 6 days ago see moreI agree w that entirely. Anyone should be able to marry in a court of law.
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Guest Guest • 7 days ago see moreGay or straight weddings wouldn't want the caterers participating in their wedding. They provide a service and leave after being paid. End of their involvement. If that's what their business is about, then why would they decide suddenly that it's not ?
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JACKINHAVERHILL Guest • 6 days ago see moreBut in Obama's America you don't own that business. You didn't build it, without gov't you wouldn't have it. Under progressive liberalism as a business owner it is your civic duty NOT to bring your religious values to your business.
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Knower Concerned Citzen • 6 days ago see moreISIL cuts heads off people who disagree; try to force compliance from those who still have heads. If I tell a young Vietnamese couple I won't cook a dog for their anniversary dinner am I discriminating?(had to be there).
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Ichbin Heimish Concerned Citzen • 6 days ago see moreActually, it is they who are being forced to do things, not the gays.
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ask8360 Concerned Citzen • 6 days ago see moreas the left wings spends all day forcing others to their views and beliefs. It does not matter if your beliefs come from religion or your mind forcing someone to them is wrong. However, no one is forcing anyone to anything, in point of fact you are forcing free people to serve you - Still in favor of Slavery on the left I see
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AW Concerned Citzen • 7 days ago see moreAnd how are the people holding the signs any different.
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explorerfl Concerned Citzen • 6 days ago see moreNonsense. They simply want the right to refuse service. We have some Muslim restaurants that refuse to serve pork bacon. If you want it you have to go somewhere else. How is that different from refusing to make a wedding cake for a pair of deviates.
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Tom explorerfl • 6 days ago see moreYes, the tire shop down the street refuses to bake cakes also. But as long as it's applied equally to all their customers, no problem. Now if they refuse to sell tires to Muslims, or if the restaurant in your example refused to sell pork only to Christians, but offered it to everyone else, they would be discriminating. See the difference?
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madjayhawk Tom • 6 days ago see moreSome businesses will not serve you if you aren't wearing shoes or shirts. Some businesses will not serve you if you are drunk or disorderly. Some businesses will not serve you if you do not look like you fit their customer profile.
Go into an Apple store with the wrong look, educational level, or attitude and you will be discriminated against or treated differently.
Go to a Democratic Party meeting, announce that you are Pro-Life, and I guarantee that you will be discriminated against and probably will be physically roughed up.
Discrimination happens every day and probably those who are worse discriminators are those who profess to be against it. We, even ABC reporters, all discriminate whether we recognize that we do or not.
How does a store clerk make a decision whether someone is gay or not then discriminate against them? If you can't tell whether a coworker or friend is gay how could you tell whether someone walking in off the street was?
There are people in our society who want to force others (using government power) to be uncomfortable. They want to force a person whose religious beliefs are different from their own to do things that the person would be uncomfortable doing. Catering a gay wedding would be uncomfortable for some people. There are plenty of caterers who would love the business. If I were gay and getting married the last person I would want catering my wedding would be someone who was uncomfortable doing it unless I was a really big AH. Like, what is really in those petite fours? I would be honest and try to work it out with the caterer or get someone different. Easy. Offended? Nah. People are different.
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Tom madjayhawk • 6 days ago see moreEverything you described has nothing at all to do with discrimination. Restaurants won't serve ANYONE without a shirt on for public health and dress code reasons. Being drunk and disorderly is actually against the law, hence the "drunk and disorderly" charge. Apple stores serve everyone who walks in the door. Some democrats ARE pro-life, even at the party meetings.
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ajone explorerfl • 6 days ago see moreIt is different b/c they are not selecting who to serve. They don't sell an item, to everyone. This law allows business not to service a particular group of people. Seems obvious.
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JIm ajone • 6 days ago see moreThey will serve anyone and everyone, howeverve they do not wish to be involved in a ceremony that goes against their beliefs. Is a gay printer then required to make signs for the Westboro Baptist Church?
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ajone JIm • 6 days ago see moreThat's not what the law allows "persons"(private persons and public businesses) to do. They are allowed to do anything that is in accordance to their religious beliefs unless there is a compelling gov't interest. What if serving a LGBT person is against my religious belief? Who are you to say that it is or isn't? It's my religion. How do you know that "they" will in fact serve anyone and everyone? What if I'm a store owner and I don't want any gay people on my premises? What if I feel that's against my religious beliefs? You can't tell me I can't do that, it's my religion!
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initalone explorerfl • 6 days ago see moreDo the RWNJ talking points
the law went far beyond wedding cakes
if allowed to stand then Discrimination is allowed to stand
today its gays tomorrow its you
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gwsjr425 Concerned Citzen • 4 days ago see moreYou might want to look at who is burning Christians abroad and who is threatening them here in the US.
Hint: it isn't "right-win Christian conservatives"
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madjayhawk Concerned Citzen • 6 days ago see moreThere are people in this country who would put on brown shirts, grab a spray can of paint, then mark every business they thought might discriminate against gays with some symbol like a Star of David so that the mobs, like those in Indianapolis and elsewhere who are blackmailing the people of Indiana with economic Armageddon, could break their windows some night, loot them, and burn them down. If your religion does not agree with their viewpoints then they believe you have no right to exist, your business has no right to exist.
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M W Guest • 7 days ago see moreAnd there are radical LGBT members too! Some are tolerant of the fact that some people disagree with their lifestyle, but most are not tolerant.
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